{"id":28666,"date":"2026-07-03T13:45:00","date_gmt":"2026-07-03T18:45:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/?p=28666"},"modified":"2026-07-02T19:36:44","modified_gmt":"2026-07-03T00:36:44","slug":"plato-full-of-desires-well-never-find-a-single-moment-of-true-freedom-or-real-friendship-but-who-really-said-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/psychology\/plato-full-of-desires-well-never-find-a-single-moment-of-true-freedom-or-real-friendship-but-who-really-said-it-28666\/","title":{"rendered":"Plato: &#8220;Full of desires, we&#8217;ll never find a single moment of true freedom or real friendship,&#8221; but who really said it?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A quote often attributed to Plato says that poverty does not come from having less wealth, but from multiplying desires. It sounds neat, shareable, and perfect for social media self-help pages. The catch is simple: the sentence does not appear word for word in the surviving Platonic dialogues.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That does not make the idea wrong. In Gorgias and Republic, Plato returns to a harder point: a life ruled by appetite may feel free at first, but it can become a kind of inner slavery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">A quote with a problem<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Famous philosopher quotes often travel better than they verify. That is especially true when the thinker lived more than two thousand years ago, long before recordings, printed books, or screenshots.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"gb-element-a00da4e5\">\n<div><div class=\"gb-looper-46613eed\">\n<div class=\"gb-loop-item gb-loop-item-a8390598 post-28672 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-sports resize-featured-image\">\n<h3 class=\"gb-text gb-text-24a51617\">Read More: <a href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/sports\/coach-horacio-de-la-pena-on-training-his-son-the-focus-is-to-push-him-until-he-cant-give-more-but-always-with-support-28672\/\">Coach Horacio de la Pe\u00f1a on training his son: &#8220;the focus is to push him until he can&#8217;t give more, but always with support&#8221;<\/a><\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/plato\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Plato<\/a>, the ancient Greek philosopher who wrote in dialogue form and often placed<a href=\"https:\/\/iep.utm.edu\/socrates\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Socrates<\/a> at the center of the conversation, is a common target for<a href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/psychology\/plato-greek-philosopher-poverty-does-not-stem-from-a-decrease-in-wealth-but-from-an-increase-in-desires-27072\/\"> quote drift<\/a>. The poverty-and-desire line may capture part of his thought, but it should not be treated as a direct quotation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That distinction matters. A false quote can still point toward a real idea, but journalism has to separate the two. Here, the real idea is more interesting than the viral version.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The leaky jar<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In Gorgias, Plato presents Socrates in debate with Callicles, a bold defender of appetite and power. Callicles argues that the person who wants to live well should let desires grow strong and satisfy them instead of restraining them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Socrates answers with one of Plato\u2019s sharpest images. The soul ruled by endless desire is compared to a leaky jar that must be filled over and over but never stays full. A person can pour in pleasure all day and still feel empty by night.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It is an old metaphor, but it lands in a very modern place. Think of the thrill of buying a better phone, a nicer outfit, or a faster car. The glow is real, then ordinary life returns, and the next want starts tapping on the glass.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Psychology caught up<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Modern psychology has a name for part of this pattern. In 1971,<a href=\"https:\/\/worlddatabaseofhappiness.eur.nl\/publications\/hedonic-relativism-and-planning-the-good-society-244\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Philip Brickman and Donald Campbell<\/a> described what later became known as the hedonic treadmill, the tendency for people to adapt to gains and return toward a familiar<a href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/psychology\/arthur-brooks-harvard-expert-real-health-and-happiness-are-not-where-most-people-are-still-looking-for-them-28028\/\"> level of happiness<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"gb-element-a10f8ebf\">\n<div><div class=\"gb-looper-2ff8b3a1\">\n<div class=\"gb-loop-item gb-loop-item-a1efb09b post-28632 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-nutrition resize-featured-image\">\n<h3 class=\"gb-text gb-text-a01baac6\">Read More: <a href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/nutrition\/this-keto-cheesecake-works-every-single-time-and-tastes-like-a-holiday-classic-and-the-reason-it-never-fails-is-simpler-than-you-think-28632\/\">This keto cheesecake works every single time and tastes like a holiday classic, and the reason it never fails is simpler than you think<\/a><\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That does not mean good things never matter. A safer home, stable health, enough food, and less stress can change a life in practical ways. But the chase for constant upgrades often behaves differently, because each new satisfaction can reset expectations instead of ending the search.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A later<a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/16719675\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> 2006 review<\/a> by Ed Diener, Richard Lucas, and Christie Scollon added nuance. People do not adapt to every life event in the same way, and happiness is not a simple machine. Still, the warning remains useful: more is not always the same as enough.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1800\" height=\"1013\" src=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/plato-statue-ancient-greek-philosopher-desire-freedom-friendship.jpg\" alt=\"Marble statue of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, whose writings explored desire, self-control, freedom, and true friendship.\" class=\"wp-image-28670\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/plato-statue-ancient-greek-philosopher-desire-freedom-friendship.jpg 1800w, https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/plato-statue-ancient-greek-philosopher-desire-freedom-friendship-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/plato-statue-ancient-greek-philosopher-desire-freedom-friendship-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/plato-statue-ancient-greek-philosopher-desire-freedom-friendship-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/plato-statue-ancient-greek-philosopher-desire-freedom-friendship-150x84.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1800px) 100vw, 1800px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><br>A marble statue of Plato, the ancient Greek philosopher whose dialogues Gorgias and Republic examine the relationship between desire, freedom, and genuine friendship.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Necessary desires<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In Republic, Plato does not say people should erase all desire. That would be unrealistic, and honestly, not very human. Hunger, rest, safety, friendship, and care for the body are not moral failures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The key difference is between necessary desires and unnecessary ones. Plato describes necessary desires as those we cannot simply remove and whose satisfaction benefits us. Unnecessary desires are different because discipline can reduce them, and in some cases, they can harm the soul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In everyday terms, eating dinner is not the same as needing the priciest table in town to feel important. Wanting a working phone is not the same as feeling poor because a newer model exists. The issue is not having things, it is being owned by the hunger for them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Freedom and friendship<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Plato\u2019s strongest warning comes when desire stops being a visitor and becomes the ruler of the house. In Republic, the tyrannical soul is described as needy, fearful, and dragged around by appetite. It \u201cnever tastes freedom or true friendship.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"gb-element-550fae59\">\n<div><div class=\"gb-looper-db338179\">\n<div class=\"gb-loop-item gb-loop-item-68d85ec0 post-28628 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-health resize-featured-image\">\n<h3 class=\"gb-text gb-text-5aea47ff\">Read More: <a href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/health\/two-patients-with-severe-autoimmune-disease-have-stayed-relapse-free-for-over-15-years-after-one-stem-cell-transplant-and-heres-what-they-got-28628\/\">Two patients with severe autoimmune disease have stayed relapse-free for over 15 years after one stem cell transplant, and here&#8217;s what they got<\/a><\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Why friendship? Because a person controlled by appetite may begin to treat others as tools. Friends become useful only when they satisfy a need, improve status, or keep loneliness away for another evening.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That sounds harsh, but it is not hard to recognize. We have all seen moments when envy, comparison, or craving turns a relationship into a scoreboard. Can a person who always needs more ever really meet another person freely?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">A lesson for consumer life<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Social theorist<a href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/psychology\/zygmunt-bauman-philosopher-happiness-in-modern-society-has-become-a-trap-far-more-complicated-than-it-seems-27969\/\"> Zygmunt Bauman<\/a> later described modern life as deeply shaped by<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wiley.com\/en-us\/shop\/general-sociology\/consuming-life-p-9780745639796\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> consumer culture<\/a>, where the promise of happiness is often tied to buying, replacing, and upgrading. Plato obviously did not know shopping malls or app notifications, but he knew the restless mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That is why the old dialogues still feel current. The electric buzz of a purchase, the traffic noise outside a luxury store, the pressure to look successful online\u2013all of it can feed the same loop. Desire grows, satisfaction fades, desire grows again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Plato\u2019s point is not that people should live without comfort or ambition. It is that reason must help desire know when to stop. Otherwise, the<a href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/psychology\/erich-fromm-social-psychologist-and-philosopher-happiness-stands-on-three-pillars-creativity-authenticity-and-connection-28303\/\"> full life<\/a> we were chasing can start to feel strangely hollow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The main works behind this article are <em>Plato\u2019s<a href=\"https:\/\/topostext.org\/work\/760\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Gorgias<\/a> and<a href=\"https:\/\/topostext.org\/work\/768\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Republic<\/a>,<\/em> preserved in standard classical editions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A quote often attributed to Plato says that poverty does not come from having less wealth, but from multiplying desires. &#8230; <\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more-container\"><a title=\"Plato: &#8220;Full of desires, we&#8217;ll never find a single moment of true freedom or real friendship,&#8221; but who really said it?\" class=\"read-more button\" href=\"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/psychology\/plato-full-of-desires-well-never-find-a-single-moment-of-true-freedom-or-real-friendship-but-who-really-said-it-28666\/#more-28666\" aria-label=\"Read more about Plato: &#8220;Full of desires, we&#8217;ll never find a single moment of true freedom or real friendship,&#8221; but who really said it?\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":19,"featured_media":28669,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[19],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28666","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-psychology","resize-featured-image"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28666","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/19"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28666"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28666\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28671,"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28666\/revisions\/28671"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/28669"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28666"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28666"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/okdiario.com\/metabolic\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28666"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}